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bad manager vs bad company: how to tell which one is your actual problem

infra_ines · 5 replies

I wasted a year trying to figure out if I should transfer teams or just quit. In retrospect the answer was obvious, I just didn't have the framework to see it.

Here's the test I wish I'd run earlier:

Ask people on other teams. Not 'is my manager bad' (they won't answer that). Ask: 'How are things going for you here lately? Do you feel like there's a clear path at this company?' If people on other teams are also vague and frustrated, you have a company problem.

Look at attrition patterns. If only your team is churning, it's the manager. If people are leaving across orgs at a similar rate, it's structural. LinkedIn stalking is useful here. Three people from your team left in six months? One data point. Three teams all lost senior people in the same window? That's a company thing.

Offer timeline and internal mobility. At a healthy company with a bad manager, you should be able to transfer and reset. I asked my skip about internal mobility and got a bunch of vague hedging about headcount and 'timing.' That was the real answer.

Calibrate whether your compensation is tied to your manager's perception of you. At some companies your skip-level or HR drives comp fairness; at others your direct manager basically runs the show. If your manager controls your level ceiling and your raise, a bad manager is a company problem by proxy.

In my case: my manager was genuinely bad (conflict-avoidant, played favorites, took credit for roadmap work he didn't do). But the company let that continue for years with no accountability because there was no real upward feedback mechanism. That's a company problem.

I transferred anyway, things improved for about four months, then the exact same patterns showed up with my new manager because the culture selected for that type. Left. Should have left sooner.

The tell for me: when your manager's behavior is well-known and nobody above them does anything, the company is choosing that manager. Keep that in mind.

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remote_swe_42

The LinkedIn stalking approach is underrated. I've screened out three companies during offer stage just by looking at who left in the last 6 months and what their tenures were. Short average tenures across multiple teams is always a company signal.

veteran_vance

The 'company is choosing that manager' framing is exactly how I ended up leaving my last job. Once I realized leadership knew and shrugged, I stopped wondering if things would change.

infra_ines

Yeah. Once you see it that way, the question stops being 'will my manager improve' and becomes 'what is this company's actual value system.' Usually clearer.

mobile_mara

I transferred teams twice at my current company. First transfer: huge improvement, clearly just a bad manager. Second transfer: same nonsense different face. I'm now fairly sure it's the company. Posting this while updating my resume.

director_dee

Director perspective: we do sometimes know a manager is weak and keep them anyway, usually because the alternatives are worse or the team is stable. That's not a great answer but it's honest. If you're trying to grow and your manager can't or won't support that, the transfer is the right call, and if transfer doesn't fix it, the director is getting the same memo as you.